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	<title>Comments on: Down is Often Up &#038; Black is Often White (Why I Love Economics!)</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Latter</title>
		<link>http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2008/05/17/down-is-often-up-black-is-often-white-why-i-love-economics/#comment-5137</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Latter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Thanks for commenting. 

Of course, you are correct that past performance is no guarantee of future success (I sound like a Merrill Lynch stock fund advisor!). 

I'm not concerned as much as you are about our deficit spending. Our national debt as a percentage of GDP is a very respectable 66% of GDP, lower than many European countries and Japan. Of course, the impending baby boom retirement will seriously challenge our nation's ability to pay both retirement and medical benefits. I'm an optimist in these matters as I study history and see how we always solve these challenges.

Capital spending will continue to rise as it has done every year, as companies know there is no better way to improve productivity. I predict our "structural unemployment" pools will become larger as the rate of innovation and change will accelerate as you have seen it accelerate over the last 10 years. Today's worker needs to be flexible, a life long learner, and have very good interpersonal skills. The days of a 30 year career doing the same job are all but gone!

Take care!

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting. </p>
<p>Of course, you are correct that past performance is no guarantee of future success (I sound like a Merrill Lynch stock fund advisor!). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not concerned as much as you are about our deficit spending. Our national debt as a percentage of GDP is a very respectable 66% of GDP, lower than many European countries and Japan. Of course, the impending baby boom retirement will seriously challenge our nation&#8217;s ability to pay both retirement and medical benefits. I&#8217;m an optimist in these matters as I study history and see how we always solve these challenges.</p>
<p>Capital spending will continue to rise as it has done every year, as companies know there is no better way to improve productivity. I predict our &#8220;structural unemployment&#8221; pools will become larger as the rate of innovation and change will accelerate as you have seen it accelerate over the last 10 years. Today&#8217;s worker needs to be flexible, a life long learner, and have very good interpersonal skills. The days of a 30 year career doing the same job are all but gone!</p>
<p>Take care!</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Prudente</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Prudente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jason,

Great content and discussions as usual. I just wanted to comment on structural unemployment. You said:
"Structurally unemployed workers are also a by-product of a successful, market-based economy as workers are only temporarily unemployed, for the long-run benefit of the economy, as new automated technologies are replacing manual labor, and/or trade agreements are implemented allowing a country’s citizens to purchase less expensive, but still high-quality imported products."

While I generally agree, I also hesitate to say that it is temporary. I think in the U.S. we have come to expect that new opportunities will present themselves. However, I'm wondering if all the defecit spending will lead to a new era that either lacks capital investment or we see lower levels of capital investment. This could create a structural unemployment scenario that may not be short term in nature.

Thanks for making me think about this stuff...more than I already do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jason,</p>
<p>Great content and discussions as usual. I just wanted to comment on structural unemployment. You said:<br />
&#8220;Structurally unemployed workers are also a by-product of a successful, market-based economy as workers are only temporarily unemployed, for the long-run benefit of the economy, as new automated technologies are replacing manual labor, and/or trade agreements are implemented allowing a country’s citizens to purchase less expensive, but still high-quality imported products.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I generally agree, I also hesitate to say that it is temporary. I think in the U.S. we have come to expect that new opportunities will present themselves. However, I&#8217;m wondering if all the defecit spending will lead to a new era that either lacks capital investment or we see lower levels of capital investment. This could create a structural unemployment scenario that may not be short term in nature.</p>
<p>Thanks for making me think about this stuff&#8230;more than I already do.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve latter</title>
		<link>http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2008/05/17/down-is-often-up-black-is-often-white-why-i-love-economics/#comment-5133</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve latter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey CJ and Natalie,

Thanks for visiting and replying! 

An economic nerd like me with nothing better to do loves when you visit and post!

I'll have some new econ topic posts in the future. Thanks for keeping in touch. You guys are both true economic superstars!

Best Regards,

Mr. L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey CJ and Natalie,</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting and replying! </p>
<p>An economic nerd like me with nothing better to do loves when you visit and post!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have some new econ topic posts in the future. Thanks for keeping in touch. You guys are both true economic superstars!</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Mr. L</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Welker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey you souless, apathetic, amoral empiricist --
Just wanted to let you know that I was reading your blog this morning.
I, can personally verify the point made about arguing economics with family members!!
The reference from Hazlitt's book is good.  It is difficult for any of us to see the long term value or benefit of $135/barrel oil and $5.00/gal gas but I'm sure that there is a golden nugget buried in there someplace.
Have a good day.
Dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey you souless, apathetic, amoral empiricist &#8211;<br />
Just wanted to let you know that I was reading your blog this morning.<br />
I, can personally verify the point made about arguing economics with family members!!<br />
The reference from Hazlitt&#8217;s book is good.  It is difficult for any of us to see the long term value or benefit of $135/barrel oil and $5.00/gal gas but I&#8217;m sure that there is a golden nugget buried in there someplace.<br />
Have a good day.<br />
Dad</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Welker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Welker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, if studying economics is about anything, it's winning arguments with your friends, teachers and family! Here's what I've found though, if you debate on purely economic grounds, people will accuse you of being a soulless, apathetic, amoral empiricists... so on occasion, you have to pretend not to be these things! 

Just kidding! Economics is just one "lens" for looking at the world's problems... it does not have all the answers, and what's "good" to an economist can certainly be bad to someone else, and it is important that we recognize that. 

I just started reading the excellent book "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt this morning, and he states the following assertion, which I tend to agree with: 

"The bad economist sees only what immediately strikes the eye; the good economist also looks beyond. The bad economist sees only the direct consequences of a proposed course; the good economist looks also at the longer and indirect consequences. The bad economist sees only what the effect of a given policy has been or will be on one particular group; the good economist inquires also what the effect of the policy will be on all groups".

I think Hazlitt's point is that economics does not always offer a one-off solution to the world's problems. Bad economists may take our "ceteris paribus" assumptions and try to apply them in a world where "ceteris paribus" does not exist. A good economist, which is hopefully what we're becoming in our AP and IB classes, will be able to evaluate the impact the actions of governments, individuals, and firms' decision have on all of society, not only the a particular group. 

Thanks for the comments, guys, and thanks for joining this blog community! - Mr. Welker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if studying economics is about anything, it&#8217;s winning arguments with your friends, teachers and family! Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve found though, if you debate on purely economic grounds, people will accuse you of being a soulless, apathetic, amoral empiricists&#8230; so on occasion, you have to pretend not to be these things! </p>
<p>Just kidding! Economics is just one &#8220;lens&#8221; for looking at the world&#8217;s problems&#8230; it does not have all the answers, and what&#8217;s &#8220;good&#8221; to an economist can certainly be bad to someone else, and it is important that we recognize that. </p>
<p>I just started reading the excellent book &#8220;Economics in One Lesson&#8221; by Henry Hazlitt this morning, and he states the following assertion, which I tend to agree with: </p>
<p>&#8220;The bad economist sees only what immediately strikes the eye; the good economist also looks beyond. The bad economist sees only the direct consequences of a proposed course; the good economist looks also at the longer and indirect consequences. The bad economist sees only what the effect of a given policy has been or will be on one particular group; the good economist inquires also what the effect of the policy will be on all groups&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think Hazlitt&#8217;s point is that economics does not always offer a one-off solution to the world&#8217;s problems. Bad economists may take our &#8220;ceteris paribus&#8221; assumptions and try to apply them in a world where &#8220;ceteris paribus&#8221; does not exist. A good economist, which is hopefully what we&#8217;re becoming in our AP and IB classes, will be able to evaluate the impact the actions of governments, individuals, and firms&#8217; decision have on all of society, not only the a particular group. </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments, guys, and thanks for joining this blog community! - Mr. Welker</p>
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		<title>By: CJ "RIP" Nucciarone</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ "RIP" Nucciarone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 02:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, the old 180 moment. I always loved this aspect of econ because it is such a great tool in arguments. Anytime someone I know starts to moan about the job market, or trade being bad for us, I proceed to shove economics in their face like there is no tomorrow. I usually know that I've won when they stand there, mouth gaping, trying to comprehend everything I just said. You're the man Mr Latter. You've helped me win a fair share of arguments this past year, including several with my government teacher, which led to a 98 on my mock senate project, so thanks alot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, the old 180 moment. I always loved this aspect of econ because it is such a great tool in arguments. Anytime someone I know starts to moan about the job market, or trade being bad for us, I proceed to shove economics in their face like there is no tomorrow. I usually know that I&#8217;ve won when they stand there, mouth gaping, trying to comprehend everything I just said. You&#8217;re the man Mr Latter. You&#8217;ve helped me win a fair share of arguments this past year, including several with my government teacher, which led to a 98 on my mock senate project, so thanks alot!</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Latter,

I might be biased because I am (was!) a student of yours, but your explanation only makes sense and can't really be refuted- its pretty cool seeing it on this site since we learned it all year. I hope that more people figure out we actually have a pretty low unemployment rate and the goal should just be to avoid cyclical unemployment (the baaaad kind)! Structural and frictional are actually not so bad. So go, U.S.. Martha would be proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Latter,</p>
<p>I might be biased because I am (was!) a student of yours, but your explanation only makes sense and can&#8217;t really be refuted- its pretty cool seeing it on this site since we learned it all year. I hope that more people figure out we actually have a pretty low unemployment rate and the goal should just be to avoid cyclical unemployment (the baaaad kind)! Structural and frictional are actually not so bad. So go, U.S.. Martha would be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Welker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Welker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Mr. Steven Latter of Paul VI Catholic High School of Fairfax, Virginia for his first contribution to Welker's Wikinomics Blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Mr. Steven Latter of Paul VI Catholic High School of Fairfax, Virginia for his first contribution to Welker&#8217;s Wikinomics Blog!</p>
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