Comments on: America’s Immigration Problem - the human cost http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/ for students and teachers of AP and IB Economics Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:52:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: KuanJu Chen http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-77 KuanJu Chen Thu, 03 May 2007 06:55:34 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-77 o.O dont know what else I can add. I like shyer's comment ^_^ i fully support him! o.O dont know what else I can add. I like shyer’s comment ^_^ i fully support him!

]]> By: Danqing tang http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-74 Danqing tang Wed, 02 May 2007 14:33:12 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-74 Jay is right, it isn't immigration that causes competition and the loss of jobs for "Americans" but illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants work for less and are often paid under the table as to not leave records or follow certain labor restrictions. Legal immigrants are technically on their way to becoming full-fledged "Americans" and the wages they work for are the same minimum wage jobs offered to "Americans". The real threat lies in illegal immigrants willing to work for less that minimum wage. Jay is right, it isn’t immigration that causes competition and the loss of jobs for “Americans” but illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants work for less and are often paid under the table as to not leave records or follow certain labor restrictions. Legal immigrants are technically on their way to becoming full-fledged “Americans” and the wages they work for are the same minimum wage jobs offered to “Americans”. The real threat lies in illegal immigrants willing to work for less that minimum wage.

]]> By: Hae Ryun Kang http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-62 Hae Ryun Kang Tue, 01 May 2007 07:38:31 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-62 Oops, sorry I forgot that the onion was a completely satirical news source, it DOES say "America's finest news source." Well I feel better now thanks jay. Oops, sorry I forgot that the onion was a completely satirical news source, it DOES say “America’s finest news source.” Well I feel better now thanks jay.

]]> By: Jay Jin http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-60 Jay Jin Tue, 01 May 2007 02:39:31 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-60 Am I missing something? As Shyr said, this video is a joke. It is from the Onion, obvious satire. Satire not on pro-immigration stances but rather anti-immigration stances. The dark wave depicting immigration, etc. etc. Working for $600,000 rather than $800,000. It is like that Onion article way back when where they interviewed a farmer from Kansas saying how scary the 9/11 attacks where, and how he felt that even he wasn't safe anymore. Obvious satire, like anybody would bother with him. Immigration provides cheap labor. That is it, labor. Not entrepreneurship. Threatening jobs? Well thats what happens when there is competition. And this is why Trickle-down economics is a failure. The problem doesn't stem from immigration, rather illegal immigration. The US government is already doing what they can at the speed of bureaucracy, aside from that damn wall. Its the illegal immigration that is causing the influx of cheap workers. Answer: Take a Machiavellian stance and simply impose an immigration quota, kick out anymore immigrants whether legal or illegal. Or remove current immigrants until the quota has been reached. Or, try to raise standards of living. The reason they are willing to work so cheaply is because they live in a shit hole that requires very little $ to maintain it. Again, trickle-down economic policy fails here. I'm advocating a sort of welfare system among other things. Or, well there are many other answers one can try to pursue. No point in going over all of them. People like "Mr. Boyle" are only in danger of losing their jobs to a more qualified man. To people who took the video seriously, it was purely a joke. www.theonion.com Am I missing something? As Shyr said, this video is a joke. It is from the Onion, obvious satire. Satire not on pro-immigration stances but rather anti-immigration stances. The dark wave depicting immigration, etc. etc. Working for $600,000 rather than $800,000.

It is like that Onion article way back when where they interviewed a farmer from Kansas saying how scary the 9/11 attacks where, and how he felt that even he wasn’t safe anymore. Obvious satire, like anybody would bother with him.

Immigration provides cheap labor. That is it, labor. Not entrepreneurship. Threatening jobs? Well thats what happens when there is competition. And this is why Trickle-down economics is a failure.

The problem doesn’t stem from immigration, rather illegal immigration. The US government is already doing what they can at the speed of bureaucracy, aside from that damn wall. Its the illegal immigration that is causing the influx of cheap workers.

Answer: Take a Machiavellian stance and simply impose an immigration quota, kick out anymore immigrants whether legal or illegal. Or remove current immigrants until the quota has been reached.

Or, try to raise standards of living. The reason they are willing to work so cheaply is because they live in a shit hole that requires very little $ to maintain it. Again, trickle-down economic policy fails here. I’m advocating a sort of welfare system among other things.

Or, well there are many other answers one can try to pursue. No point in going over all of them. People like “Mr. Boyle” are only in danger of losing their jobs to a more qualified man. To people who took the video seriously, it was purely a joke.

http://www.theonion.com

]]> By: Hae Ryun Kang http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-59 Hae Ryun Kang Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:29:38 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-59 Anyways... yeah back to economics... the supply of workers increase dramatically with the influx of immigrants, driving down the price of labor. The lower your wages the more advantageous you are. Obviously people want to hire workers who demand less...but economics has oversimplified this point-- wages are not the only consideration! :) Anyways… yeah back to economics… the supply of workers increase dramatically with the influx of immigrants, driving down the price of labor. The lower your wages the more advantageous you are. Obviously people want to hire workers who demand less…but economics has oversimplified this point– wages are not the only consideration! :)

]]> By: Hae Ryun Kang http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-58 Hae Ryun Kang Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:24:40 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-58 Hold on a second, am I missing something here.. Economics aside, what is the definition of an AMERICAN? An Anglo-Saxon upper-middle class man who is RESPECTABLE enough to own a summer house and a house full of adorable kids? It's obvious what sort of picture this video is trying to paint here. Especially the little kids, "I hope the Mexican is happy"... real subtle. No credit is given to the talent/skills of the immigrant that allowed him to get this job in the first place. This video has neglected all the usual qualifications in order to get employed, all but the money factor. The human cost of "American" workers? So the guy lives in a summer house and works at TGI Fridays. How about the human cost of immigrants, NEW "Americans" who are trying to make a life out of what little they have in their new country, the "land of the free"? Hold on a second, am I missing something here.. Economics aside, what is the definition of an AMERICAN? An Anglo-Saxon upper-middle class man who is RESPECTABLE enough to own a summer house and a house full of adorable kids?

It’s obvious what sort of picture this video is trying to paint here. Especially the little kids, “I hope the Mexican is happy”… real subtle.

No credit is given to the talent/skills of the immigrant that allowed him to get this job in the first place. This video has neglected all the usual qualifications in order to get employed, all but the money factor.

The human cost of “American” workers? So the guy lives in a summer house and works at TGI Fridays. How about the human cost of immigrants, NEW “Americans” who are trying to make a life out of what little they have in their new country, the “land of the free”?

]]> By: Candice Lee http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-54 Candice Lee Sat, 28 Apr 2007 04:14:40 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-54 For some reason, this article reminds me of John Steinbeck’s novel The Grapes or Wrath, where workers desperately competed for jobs, drastically driving the price of labor down to ground-shaking levels. In this case, as millions immigrants flood across the border to the United States each year, the American worker is paying the “price”. These immigrants significantly increase the supply of workers in the United States, driving the price of labor down. Though output has increased, similar to the case of Lucent Technologies, these immigrants that are willing to work at lower wages have significantly threatened the employment rate of the American work force. For some reason, this article reminds me of John Steinbeck’s novel The Grapes or Wrath, where workers desperately competed for jobs, drastically driving the price of labor down to ground-shaking levels. In this case, as millions immigrants flood across the border to the United States each year, the American worker is paying the “price”. These immigrants significantly increase the supply of workers in the United States, driving the price of labor down. Though output has increased, similar to the case of Lucent Technologies, these immigrants that are willing to work at lower wages have significantly threatened the employment rate of the American work force.

]]> By: Alex Shyr http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-53 Alex Shyr Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:33:08 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-53 for some reason, this video sounds like a joke, i mean how bad is it to live in a summer house for your entire life :D... but it is true that as more unemployed desperate immigrants enter the US, the labor price (or their wages) drops. Because as supply for labor increases, while the demand stay put, the y-axis's price drop, abd the x-axis's quantity for labor increases. This can significantly threaten the employment rate for the US citizens, because their wages are dropping due to the increase in, in this case, mexicans who are willing to take the US citizens's job at a lower wage and less vacations. Ergo, their productivity rises, encouraging industries and firms across the states to hire the cheaper labor workers. for some reason, this video sounds like a joke, i mean how bad is it to live in a summer house for your entire life :D… but it is true that as more unemployed desperate immigrants enter the US, the labor price (or their wages) drops. Because as supply for labor increases, while the demand stay put, the y-axis’s price drop, abd the x-axis’s quantity for labor increases.
This can significantly threaten the employment rate for the US citizens, because their wages are dropping due to the increase in, in this case, mexicans who are willing to take the US citizens’s job at a lower wage and less vacations. Ergo, their productivity rises, encouraging industries and firms across the states to hire the cheaper labor workers.

]]> By: Enno Zhang http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2007/04/25/americas-immigration-problem-the-human-cost/#comment-50 Enno Zhang Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:30:08 +0000 http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/?p=18#comment-50 When immigration rises, cheap labor causes a great amount of threat to American workers. This will cause unemployment of Americans to rise. In the future, due to the development of technology, cheap labor workers may not even need to immigrate to America to compete with American jobs. The internet allows workers overseas to work for a company without even being there. This globolization will certainly shake the comfortable sofas of the workers in comfortable countries. When immigration rises, cheap labor causes a great amount of threat to American workers. This will cause unemployment of Americans to rise. In the future, due to the development of technology, cheap labor workers may not even need to immigrate to America to compete with American jobs. The internet allows workers overseas to work for a company without even being there. This globolization will certainly shake the comfortable sofas of the workers in comfortable countries.

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